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Imagine Otherwise: Eric Tang on the Cold War Origins of Refugee Policy & the Importance of Activist Scholarship
What can we learn about structural oppression through the analysis of one person’s story? How can collaboration transform the way we make decisions about our work? How can empowering others to imagine otherwise liberate us all?
In Episode 6 of the Imagine Otherwise, host Cathy Hannabach interviews guest Eric Tang about his new book, activist scholarship, and what it means to imagine otherwise.
We invite you to check out the episode, as well as our highlights and show notes below.
Guest: Eric Tang
- Eric is an assistant professor in the African and African Diaspora Studies Department and faculty member in the Center for Asian American Studies at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of Unsettled: Cambodian Refugees in NYC’s Hyperghetto (which Ideas on Fire edited and indexed!), which tells the story of the approximately 10,000 Cambodian refugees were eventually “resettled” in the Bronx over the course of the 1980s and ‘90s, in the wake of the Khmer Rouge genocide. Chronicling their unfinished odyssey through the eyes of one woman, Ra Prohn, and her family, Unsettled tells the story of an immigrant community’s survival and resistance in historically Black neighborhoods in New York City, those spaces created as “hyperghettos” by US state terrorism directed at African American and Black diasporic communities in the aftermath of slavery. For that project, Eric draws on his previous work as a welfare rights and migrant youth community organizer. He’s been awarded both journalistic and scholarly prizes for his writing on post-Katrina New Orleans. Eric is currently working on a new book titled East Avenue: African Americans in Austin’s Terrain of Inequality.
We chatted about:
- Eric’s new book, Unsettled (02:00)
- How hyperghettos have been used as strategic sites of warfare for black Americans and South Asian refugees (05:00)
- Eric’s choice to structure his book through one woman’s story (09:57)
- Refugee exceptionalism in contrast with perceived racial inferiority of American blacks and Latinos (15:30)
- Collaboration (14:30)
- Imagining Otherwise (25:35)
- On the myth of peaceful refugee resettlement: “We often think of it as a moment where they’re able to experience peace and respite. In fact what happens for many of them is that they begin an entirely new journey, and entirely new struggle, if you will, that is defined by derelict housing, extreme poverty, welfare dependency, and state violence.”
- On his analysis of resettling Cambodian refugees to American hyperghettos: “It’s not historically incidental or sociological temporary, this phenomenon of resettling those who are subjects of US warfare to the hyperghetto.”
- On his choice to structure his book through one woman’s story: “It seemed like a more effective strategy to tell the story through one woman who experienced all of these things over the course of 30 years, because then you get to see these connections more clearly.”
- On how collaboration with his interview subject transformed Unsettled: “Not only is refugee exceptionalism false, but this notion she is somewhere else other than the war zone and the camp, is also false. And what she wanted to do was bring that to the story. She wanted to bring her story of continuance, of an unbroken refugee sojourn.
- On imagining otherwise: “This is the moment in which [communities we work with] are articulating their grievances towards this world that they want to see, and we need to pay attention. Sometimes we are not going to have a takeway, a key demand, but it’s this very process of giving people space where they are able to get to this world that they would like to see […] the political work.”
More from Eric:
- Eric’s book Unsettled: Cambodian Refugees in NYC’s Hyperghetto
- The Unsettled book website
- Eric on Twitter
Projects and People discussed:
- Robin D.G. Kelley’s book Freedom Dreams: The Black Radical Imagination
- Loïc Wacquant, urban studies sociologist
- John Brown Childs, social movement sociologist
About Imagine Otherwise:
Imagine Otherwise is a podcast about the people and projects bridging art, activism, and academia to build better worlds. Episodes offer in-depth interviews with creators who use culture for social justice, and explore the nitty-gritty work of imagining and creating more just worlds. Check out full podcast episodes and show notes at ideasonfire.net/episodes. Imagine Otherwise is produced by Ideas on Fire, an academic editing and consulting agency helping progressive, interdisciplinary scholars write and publish awesome texts, enliven public conversations, and create more just worlds.